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pierre
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 Posted - 05/03/2010 : 16:38:33
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The problem we got is this……
Last year, the local people in and close to Peacehaven opposed the development of some 147 houses on land close to them. Support was gained by local Tredegar Blaenau-Gwent councilors. A committee was formed which give a very good case why the development should not go ahead, along with a petition with several hundred names on it stating opposition. They lost the planning decision.
I won’t go over old ground, but fair to say that enough questions were raised that should have made the people of Tredegar sit up and take notice of how democracy works in Blaenau-Gwent. Please www.stredegar.co.uk/stag and see about it yourself.
Currently, some more local people from the Woodfield / James street area in the town (in the Georgetown ward), are fighting Blaenau-Gwent Council over the proposed planning decision to development land to build a shelter. Again, the local community did not want this development (like the Peacehaven development) and a committee with a chairman put in place (again, like Peacehaven). At time of writing they are still waiting for the final decision from the planning committee in Blaenau Gwent Council (or Welsh Office), which is penned in to take place on the 10th March 2010.
Please see http://www.tredegar.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5632 for more details of the planned development. However you look at it, it’s similar to the proposed development at Peacehaven. That being its not wanted by the vast community where the development will take place.
Also, Tredegar got the on-going issues of HGV Traffic at Bryn-Bach School. Letters/reports and interviews have taken place, all down mainly to one local man. The fight has even been reported on the main ITV Welsh news. At time of writing, Blaenau-Gwent Council are dragging their feet, and one can only assume that the safety of school children is not their top priority.
Please see http://www.tredegar.co.uk/trafficatbrynbachschool/ for more details.
…and next, well already outlined planning has been given to an area known locally as the turnip field. Local residents have raised questions to Blaenau-Gwent council. Please see the following for more information
http://www.tredegar.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5169
So what can we learn from these four issues that have effected the local people of the town in just over three years. Well it does seam to me that we are keen to stand up and be counted on important matters but only on issues that are right on our door step.
Sure, some of the faces in the meeting held this week on the proposed development at Woodfield were also actively supporting the opposition to the development of Peacehaven, but how many?
And in return, how many of the people that actively opposed the development at Peacehaven were at the meeting for the proposed development at Woodfield?
How many will be interested in the fight and concerns of the local people when/if they build on the turnip field?
How many even care about the plight of the school children and the HGV issues at Bryn-Bach school? How many letters of support have they written backing the campaign ?
At the Woodfiled development meeting, the chairman Ken (who is doing an excellent job along with the other people in the area), said, “We must stand together”
, but don’t we need to stand together as a town, and not just as a small selection of streets, or area?
I was one of the people that supported the campaign against the development of the 147 houses at Peacehaven. I stood in line with a banner outside the Council offices in Ebbw-Vale. Now there were say 40 of us there on that day maybe? Imagine if there was 2’000 of us fighting not just for the locals of where the development would go, but for the town of Tredegar!
Sean (the chairman of the Opposition to the development at Peacehaven), and the rest of the team gained a lot of information during their fight against the planning process. One can only assume that the team running the opposition against the Woodfield development did not hit the ground with such insight. Also, if/when opposition mounts against the development at the turnip field start will that team have to start from scratch?
My question is simple. Why?
The obvious place where local people should go for help and support you would think would be Tredegar Town Council. But sadly, recent events have tough us that they are simply not up to the job, more interested in taking money off us all then actually standing up for the community they are meant to serve. Sorry, but their actions over the last few years can only result in me thinking that of them as a group. Please see www.Tredegar.co.uk/ttc for more information on this subject.
Local Blaenau-Gwent Councilors are (mainly) behind the community they serve. If not they are kicked out. Simple. Or is that not the case?
More questions to give consideration to:
Do other towns get this type of planning decision forced on the community?
Do other towns have issues with HGV’s and schools?
Do you feel let down by not having your community’s voice being heard?
Do you care about other parts of the town, apart from what’s on your doorstep?
I’ll be in line and support the local group again the development at Woodfiled. How many others will? Remember, it could be your doorstep that is developed next against the wishes of the community!
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kay16
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 21:12:13
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| Thank you,thank you,thank you for the voice of reason.This is what we have been saying since the open day meeting last october regarding the woodfield road development and this is why on our petition,we put, we didn't want this development on this site or on any other site in Tredegar.Because this development is a domestic abuse refuge.....Sorry,technically IT'S NOT A REFUGE it's SUPPORT ACCOMODATION MY MISTAKE,this development TO QUOTE THE COUNCIL " BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVE NATURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO SUCCED IT MUST HAVE COMPLETE ANNOMINITY" so we had no information on this development what so ever,the first we knew about it was in the open day last october,even though it was passed by B/GWENT COUNCIL EXECITIVE COMMITTEE,INCLUDING JASON OWEN,WAY BACK IN JULY 2008.We are trying our best with the limited information we have found out by ourselves,but i tell you this if they think we will give up they can bloody think again,this planning meeting-if it happens-on thurs 11 march 2.00pm,which ever way it goes,will not be the end of it by us.Like you said it's not just us the council think they can just dismiss,peacehaven-which was an unbelieveable decision,also the road outside bryn bach school SHOULD BE A PRIORATY BECAUSE OF THE CHILDREN [WELL THAT IS WHAT WE WERE TOLD REGARDING THE SEEPD HUMPS OUTSIDE GEORGETOWN SCHOOL].I total feel like i'm banging my head against a brick wall,we are treated like throw away rubbish by the council,like idiots with no opinion what so ever and i've just about had a gutfull of their smug,superior attitude.Thanks for the support,pierre and see you thursday! |
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uncle bob
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 21:26:53
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Sorry Kay, due to noting many disputes with local councils in the past
Believe me it is all cut and dried
(thats the decision not the ground in question)
All protests will fall on deaf ears
Mark the words of your uncle bob
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llanover
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 21:32:40
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Unfortunately, I'm too far away to be of any help!
2pm? What a stupid time for this meeting! Surely most of the residents concerned will be at work, getting ready to pick up kids from school etc.
Has anyone asked the councillors from Ebbw Vale and Blaina why THEY opposed this developement? What were their reasons?
What about the FOI Act? |
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kay16
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 21:58:09
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| Llanover,some of the excuses we have been told are TOO NEAR A SCHOOL,TOO NEAR A CHURCH AND TOO NEAR A PUB,ah this site has a school opposit,2 churches and 2 pubs within a spitting distance of this development,the problem we have is B/Gwent Council have been sitting on welsh assembly fund money for this project since 2005 and if they don't start spending it by middle of march they will loose this funding it goes back to the assembly so they are panicking now that is why they are pushing this site.We even had the gentleman who did the original matrix for this project and he said on monday in the meeting that he said then and he stands by his decision today that HOLLAND STREET WAS AND STILL IS THE BEST SITE AND HE CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE COUNCIL HAS CHOSEN WOODFIELD ROAD. |
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uncle bob
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 22:09:26
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Sorry Kay due to noting many disputes with local councils,closure of schools etc
Believe me it is all cut and dried and has been for a time now
All protests will fall on deaf ears
Did honestly think that we live in a democracy?
Mark the words of your uncle bob -- again
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kay16
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 22:52:35
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| Maybe so uncle bob but there again maybe not,lets just see when or even IF this goes to planning committe on thurs.The operative word being "IF"!!!!!!!!! |
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kay16
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 00:16:32
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| the whole point that pierre is making,and please correct me if i am wrong,is how the hell can B/Gwent Council make all these decisions and basicly totaly disregard the opinions of all the people of B/Gwent,indead the very people who put these councillors in the position they find themselves in and the very same people who they are supposed to represent and swore they would do their best for before we elected them into office.Funny how the worm turns as soon as they see the doors opening for them in the civic building isn't it,or am i just being cynical? |
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pierre
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Posted - 06/03/2010 : 09:39:11
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the whole point that pierre is making,and please correct me if i am wrong,is how the hell can B/Gwent Council make all these decisions and basicly totaly disregard the opinions of all the people of B/Gwent,
Thats its. Blaenau-Gwent Council are of course under a lot of pressure with a low budget to play with, and they do excel on some things (Bryn-Bach Park for example....). They might be under obligation to build more houses etc, but what seams to be the issue here is where they plan to allow these houses and other "things" to be built.
As far as the traffic issues at the school goes, apart from a few Councilors that are backing the scheme to remove the HGV traffic from Merthyr road, they should all be ashamed of themselves.
Remember, Dennis Owens told me to my face on my own door step (with Allison Tippings, Governor of the school stood right behind him...) that the traffic issues outside the school"were down to the mothers driving kids to school, and talking to each other instead of going home....".
I got the same respect for him as he got concern for my children's safety, that being zero. And what about the kids in Georgetown School. What will end up going in the planned "shelter" down in woodfield ?
Answers on a postcard....... |
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WelshGrid
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Posted - 09/03/2010 : 08:06:51
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| Problem we got is that the powers that be in this county dont give a toss about us as long as they pick up there fat pay who cares about our problems |
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lilly
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Posted - 09/03/2010 : 13:33:31
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Hi Kay16, I agree with you, the situation is disgusting. I hope that there will be a good turnout for this meeting.
Stay strong Kay, ONE person CAN make a difference, and you are making a difference by doing whats right for our town. Good Luck and well done to you.
Regards lilly
(Kay, Has this meeting been mentioned on Facebook, I know that there is a Tredegar page on there, but I have never joined, so I'm in the dark, but maybe it would inform more people about the meeting) |
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kay16
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 18:28:47
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| Hiya lilly,i did try to reply to you yesterday but the bugs seam to have eaten my reply,anyway thanks for your support,we still have unanswere questions regarding the HOLLAND STREET PLOT,all we've been told is that United Welsh pulled the plug on this but as it's Hafan Cymru who has the grant money and the sayso,so we quite can't workout how United Welsh are nowcalling the shots!!Also the gentleman who looked at all the sites way back in 2007/8 told us in the last meeting that Holland Street WAS THEN AND STILL IS NOW THE BEST SITE AND CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HAVE PICKED WOODFIELD ROAD.This is what we mean by GETTING NO STRAIGHT ANSWERS.Yes lilly it's on facebook a lady called Ellie has put it on there [Thanks Ellie] so PLEASE PLEASE IF ANYONE FROM ANYWHERE IN TREDEGAR CAN SPARE THE TIME PLEASE COME AND SUPPORT US, AS WE SAID ON OUR PETITION WE DON'T WANT THIS IN WOODFIELD ROAD OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN TREDEGR,BECAUSE NEXT TIME IT COULD BE YOUR AREA AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A STAND TO STOP TREDEGAR BECOMING A DUMPING GROUND FOR EBBW VALE. |
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lilly
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 14:46:01
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You're very welcome Kay. (I haven't been able to get onto this site either untill today)
I'm confident that the voices of the Tredegar people will not fall on deaf ears!
This is our town, and I believe its worth fighting for.
Its good to see others giving Kay the support she needs. Tredegar needs more people like you Kay.
regards lilly |
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kay16
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 20:58:53
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| Lilly,i just put a post on tredegr town forum to let people know what happened today,if you or anyone else is interested. |
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lilly
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Posted - 13/03/2010 : 09:39:47
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Thanks Kay for the update. A very encouraging result for all the folks living in that area, and for the rest of our town too.
Those rotters needed to have those smiles wiped off. Things look promising Kay, thank God.
I will spread the word about monday's meeting in my neck of the woods.
regards lilly |
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kay16
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Posted - 13/03/2010 : 13:41:54
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| Thanks lilly,but just been told by keith hayden that the site meeting has been changed to FRIDAY 19TH AT 10AM MEETING AT WOODFIELD ROAD,SORRY FOR THAT,it seams that day was changed after the planning meeting.Anyone who want's to come and show support are more than welcome,PLEASE,PLEASE COME IF YOU CAN SPARE THE TIME.Thanks. |
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lilly
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Posted - 14/03/2010 : 15:23:32
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Its so damn frustrating when they put the meeting on at a later date, because I know you all want it sorted out asap.
I will spread the word about the change Kay.
lilly |
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uncle bob
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Posted - 19/03/2010 : 11:52:41
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Originally posted by kay16
Thanks lilly,but just been told by keith hayden that the site meeting has been changed to FRIDAY 19TH AT 10AM MEETING AT WOODFIELD ROAD,SORRY FOR THAT,it seams that day was changed after the planning meeting.Anyone who want's to come and show support are more than welcome,PLEASE,PLEASE COME IF YOU CAN SPARE THE TIME.Thanks.
Large amount of people at the old red and white site this morning do'nt know outcome |
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pierre
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Posted - 19/03/2010 : 12:32:34
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| Thanks Bob, lets hope they listen to conman sense, and the local people. |
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uncle bob
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Posted - 19/03/2010 : 18:01:36
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Originally posted by pierre
Thanks Bob, lets hope they listen to conman sense, and the local people.
Nice Freudian slip! |
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kay16
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Posted - 20/03/2010 : 02:39:26
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| NOT A CAT IN HELL'S CHANCE.IT WAS PASSED.WE HAD 4 VOTES TO REJECT IT AND 3 VOTES TO PASS IT.THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED TO PASS IT MIND WERE FROM BRYNMAWR [THINK IT WAS BROWN THE UNDERTAKER,THE ONE WHO DRIVES A PORSCHE WITH THE NUMBER PLATE YETTI]AND ABERTILLERY WAY.THE UNDERTAKER'S REASONS WERE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT SOME RESIDENTS HAD WRITTEN IN THEIR LETTERS ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE IN THE REFUGE AND FOR THIS REASON AND ONLY THIS REASON I WOULD LIKE IT PASSED-STUPID ARSE!THEN THE CHAIRMAN HAD HIS VOTE,THAT MADE IT 4 ALL AND THEN THE CHAIRMAN HAD A CASTING VOTE [SO HE HAD 2 VOTES] WHICH MADE IT 4-5 SO IT WAS PASSED.IN FAIRNESS 1 INDEPENDENT WHO IN THE PLANNING MEETING LAST WEEK COULDN'T SEE WHY IT SHOULD BE REJECTED,WHEN HE SEEN THE SITE AND THE CULVERT CHANGED HIS VOTE TO REJECT IT.BRIAN THOMAS DIDN'T SHOW UP - NO ONE KNOWS WHY,IF ANYONE ON THIS SITE KNOWS PLEASE LET ME KNOW AS THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR TREDEGAR AND HE IS A TREDEGR COUNCILLOR.SO YEP NOT A HAPPY BUNNY BUT IF THEY THINK THIS IS THE END,WELL,THEY CAN FORGET IT,THERE ARE STILL A FEW THINGS WE CAN DO STILL,SO WATCH THIS SPACE.ONE IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT THIS MEETING TODAY WAS THE LITTLE OR BASICLY NO CONCERN FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FLOODED BEFORE BY THE CULVERT.THE 3 WHO VOTED YES AND THE CHAIRMAN -DENZIL HANDCOCK,WHO IS FROM SIX BELLS MIND-DISMISSED THE CONCERNED RESIDENTS LIKE THEY WERE NOBODIES,LIKE THEY DIDN'T COUNT.WELL I'M SORRY THEY DO COUNT.ALSO AGAIN JOHN MORGAN [I KNOW SOME PEOPLE,INCLUDING MYSELF,HAVE EITHER SAID OR THOUGHT THINGS ABOUT HIM]BUT AGAIN HE STOOD UP AND SAID YET AGAIN THAT TREDEGAR TOWN COUNCIL WERE FIRMLY AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT,SO THANK YOU AGAIN JOHN [NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THAT BUT THERE WE GO]. |
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sailor
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Posted - 20/03/2010 : 09:05:59
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| Kay, I can tell you that Brian Thomas had to attend hospital in Cardiff. Brian visited my home this week to discuss the rejection by BGCC of a relief road. Trish Law will be putting out a press release. NO support from Blaenau Gwent Councillors esp those who live in Ashvale and surrounding area. Just hope they come to my home when voting is due. |
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kay16
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Posted - 20/03/2010 : 10:59:30
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| Thanks for the info sailor,please can someone explain to me,WHY WHEN SOMEBODY BECOMES A COUNCILLOR,DO THEY LOOSE THEIR BRAIN AND COMMONSENSE BUT PICK UP A WE ARE UNTOUCHABLE AND SUPERIOR ATTITUDE?Yet again a very serious issue,ONE WHICH VERY WELL COULD [GOD FORBID]COST A POOR INNOCENT CHILD THEIR LIFE,AND SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN'T SEE THE PROBLEM,FOR GOD SAKE WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.AHHHHHH THIS WHOLE COUNCIL THING IS JUST DOING MY HEAD IN!!!!Tell you what sailor,well if i could,i would give you this £650,000 GRANT THAT HAFAN CYMRU HAVE HAD FROM THE WELSH OFFICE -WHICH TRISH LAW HAS FOUGHT FOR,YEP YOU READ IT RIGHT,FOUGHT FOR- FOR THIS REFUGE,SO YOU COULD AT LEAST HAVE SOME MONEY,NOT A LOT I KNOW ,BUT IT WOULD BE A START BECAUSE LIKE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW IMPORTANT THAT BYPASS/SLIP ROAD IS. |
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kay16
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Posted - 20/03/2010 : 11:15:07
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| Forgot to say sailor,i can't wait to see what BO****KS trish law and i assume dai davies have said this time.Our reply from dai davies,after a resident had emailed him regarding his support for us,was as follows "I CAN ASSURE YOUTHAT WE WILL ALWAYS REPRESENT THE CONCERNS OF OUR CONSTITUENT'S WHERE EVER AND WHENEVER THE NEED ARISES.WE WOULD BE PLEASED TO RECIEVE A WRITTEN OBJECTION [DAH ALREADY SENT ONE TO BARRY TOOSE THE PLANNING OFFICER]AND WE WILL CERTAINLY REPRESENT THOSE VIEWS TO COUNCIL" What a pile of CRAP AND LIES.With us trish law had a conflict of interest,she should have been representing us as our AM,but she wanted this refuge MORE,SHE DUMPED US GOOD AND PROPER.THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT,CAN IT?So please,as soon as you have this reply [like i said can't wait for this one] let us know.All the best sailor. |
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lilly
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Posted - 20/03/2010 : 15:02:17
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I'm gutted with the results of the meeting. But its not over yet, and I am so glad to see that you are staying strong kay.
What a load of rubbish Trish Law is. Lets make sure to remember this at voting time.
(Kay I have joined facebook to see if I can sign a petition on line in support of this campaign, but I cannot find the link on there. If you can spare the time I would be gratefull if you could put it on here so that more of us can access it and support you.
Also I was wondering if Nick Smith has been of any help, as he appears to be involving himself in local issues for the people. He fought hard for us in the Street Lights fight, with a good result too.Unlike Brian Thomas, who was no help at all, infact he voted to knock our lights off. He will never have my vote again either)
regards lilly |
Edited by - lilly on 20/03/2010 15:28:14 |
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uncle bob
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Posted - 20/03/2010 : 17:27:36
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| Yes Brian thomas, We should remember that name for next time? |
Edited by - uncle bob on 20/03/2010 17:29:10 |
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The problem we got is this……
