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ddraig
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Posted - 21/03/2019 :  12:19:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just read this on Beeb, looks like there's a lot of people signing this petition.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

GarT
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Posted - 21/03/2019 :  21:24:05 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the link ddraig, I have just signed it! :-)
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ddraig
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Posted - 22/03/2019 :  12:08:15 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Over three million signed now, not that it's going to achieve anything, it's been said it has to get nearer the 18 million mark
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lilly
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/03/2019 :  13:43:43 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's being ridiculed because of the many bogus signitures.
Many from-
Russia, Korea, China, Canada, Japan plus lots of EU countries ???
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ddraig
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Posted - 22/03/2019 :  14:53:27 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They're not supposed to be counted according to Government, but it looks like people will find a way

Edited by - ddraig on 22/03/2019 14:56:24
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Gareth
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Posted - 23/03/2019 :  16:35:56 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was reading yesterday that Elvis Presley has signed it 15.000 times and Walt Disney 12,000 times - and many other examples of impossible signings. This petition is being badly abused and no-one will take any notice.
Try for yourself sign up as anyone you like and so long as you have the correct postcode for the address it will be accepted.
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ddraig
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Posted - 23/03/2019 :  18:42:54 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You do need a legitimate email as it must be verified before it's counted and it says you can't use the same email more than once, anyways Elvis voted to leave so I heard
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lilly
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Posted - 23/03/2019 :  23:29:35 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apparently the tooth fairy, father Christmas and ET have also signed many times#128513;#128513;
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ddraig
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Posted - 24/03/2019 :  11:16:53 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have seen that it's been signed by people outside the uk and that it is an apparent ruse by some pro brexit supporters to discredit the petition, which makes me think they must be worried or why bother?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-the-stop-brexit-petition-reliable
Does anyone have the link to the Elvis and other signatures that have signed 12000 and 15000 times??
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Gareth
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Posted - 24/03/2019 :  13:52:28 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
People outside the UK are not supposed to be able to sign any of those petitions - if they are doing so it indicates trickery of some sort.
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Gareth
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Posted - 24/03/2019 :  14:02:03 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ddraig

I have seen that it's been signed by people outside the uk and that it is an apparent ruse by some pro brexit supporters to discredit the petition, which makes me think they must be worried or why bother?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-the-stop-brexit-petition-reliable
Does anyone have the link to the Elvis and other signatures that have signed 12000 and 15000 times??



I cant find the original , but here is another which is saying the same thing

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1103817/brexit-petition-cancel-brexit-article-50-revoke-brexit-news-latest
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ddraig
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Posted - 24/03/2019 :  14:08:04 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
The UK government said that any British resident or citizen can sign, wherever they are.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47668946
Can't find any reference to 12000 Elvis or 15000 Walt Disney signatures though.
Bare in mind this isn't a referendum it's just a petition and as such will have no effect on Brexit. Saying that, people are entitled to their views even if it's just to be able to say at a later date "I told you so"

Edited by - ddraig on 24/03/2019 14:20:42
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GarT
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Posted - 24/03/2019 :  17:26:07 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My brother and his family have signed it from Holland, and my mate and family have from Spain, still UK citizens, and very concerned for their futures!
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SeaWolf86
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Posted - 24/03/2019 :  22:15:47 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The day Article 50 will be revoked, will be the day democracy in UK dies and EU socialism rules... ;(
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butch
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Posted - 24/03/2019 :  23:10:38 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is nothing wrong with socialism, providing people are treated equally. I understand you are new to the area, so welcome to Tredegar. I would respectfully suggest that you look into the long and very eventful history of Tredegar and Blaenau Gwent in general. You may then realise, what hardships people have suffered in the past, and a lot are still suffering. So please don't judge socialism too harshly.
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SeaWolf86
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Posted - 25/03/2019 :  07:43:20 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With all due respect to Tredegar people, I think everything is wrong with socialism. I grew up in socialistic country and I experienced on my own skin all the "pleasures" this system has to offer. My family and I suffered a lot, that's why I value democracy above all. And I know socialistic past of South Wales Valleys. You tell me how it's end up for their folk... Socialism killed more people in the world than fascism, and still killing in North Korea and Wenezuela. Very noble idea, but put in practise proved to be lethal. And EU been evolving from a common market to socialistic regime. And socialism did't happened in one day. It's a long process. Wales voted out. Thumbs up for that. In my humble opinion the sooner EU collapses the better. Hopefully it will start with Brexit.
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sailor
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Posted - 25/03/2019 :  10:25:42 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
SeaWolf, Be very careful if you go up the mountain, nearly All the Sheep have red markings, Blue markings are OK the friendly type.
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keanjo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2019 :  10:35:44 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sea Wolfe, There is little wrong with socialism as a theory of living .In essence it is similar in many ways to Christís teaching but unfortunately any creed is subject to the corruption and greed of men who will turn any system to their own advantage,unfortunately generally it is the ordinary people who always suffer and the greedy flourish. If you wish to live amicably in the area ,my well meant advice is to listen , learn and think before establishing a firm viewpoint.
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ddraig
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2019 :  10:39:51 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are only four countries that are totally socialist states, China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam. The Labour party is a social democrat party and if it wasn't for the likes of the Labour party formed in the 1900s, (I believe it started from the trade union movement), we wouldn't have the voice we (as workers) have today. (I think seawolf86 you need to read into this history a little more) this was evident in the way that the Labour party always won votes in Working class areas, although, as memories fade and people die, not so much. I believe all EU countries are at the moment Democracies of one kind or another.
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ddraig
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/03/2019 :  10:42:43 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I sympathise GarT, I believe there are thousands of British citizens working and retired in other EU countries who are very concerned with what will happen when we leave the EU, especially if we crash out. A fair amount of businesses are probably just as anxious and although they are saying brexit is not the reason it's why some foreign businesses are pulling out of Britain.

Edited by - ddraig on 25/03/2019 10:52:03
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lilly
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Posted - 25/03/2019 :  17:28:59 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm hoping that the result of the vote will be honoured. Because this is democracy, no matter how you voted. The will of the majority matters.
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GarT
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Posted - 25/03/2019 :  19:30:59 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you ddraig, I know a few people on my sister in laws side voted to leave, without thinking of the immediate ramifications on people they care about. and have now changed their minds.
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ddraig
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Posted - 26/03/2019 :  10:42:13 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also know people who have changed their mind GarT, I think this is going to cost us more when we leave than if we had stayed in and I don't believe there will be any extra money for anything let alone the NHS, even less for Wales. Cameron called this referendum because he'd made the promise (just to keep the tories in power I think) All this TRUE information is what we got after we voted to leave, we should have had this information before we voted and not the pack of lies and propaganda that the country were fed before. Cameron thought that we would vote remain as a shoo-in and never put in the effort to disseminate the facts, I wonder if he actually knew anyway. He, Farage and Johnson should be up on charges of misrepresentation.
I know some people would like to get rid of devolution, be careful what you wish for, at the moment what's ours is mainly ours, the lack of water in England is becoming a concern, they would take our water (as they've done in the past along with other resources) in a heartbeat.
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darole
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United Kingdom
2491 Posts

Posted - 29/03/2019 :  18:08:11 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Democracy is dead
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lilly
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United Kingdom
690 Posts

Posted - 29/03/2019 :  20:22:59 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes darole, it's a sad day for democracy.
What's the point of voting?
I feel that my vote, and over 17 million others didn't matter
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darole
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United Kingdom
2491 Posts

Posted - 30/03/2019 :  08:04:29 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your vote does matter. Donít let the scare mongers frightening you off, I know friends of my who voted to stay are saying letís get out .... enough is enough
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