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djholly
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936 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2021 :  14:08:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The same doctors, nurses, paramedics and care home workers that Boris wanted the country to stand outside your homes and clap to show support, appreciation and respect for will be sacked on april 1st 2022. as of yesterday the esteemed members of government have voted to pass the mandatory jabs for all, with some exemptions but they expect to lose 100-120,000 staff/care staff. i personally know 1 such nurse that will definitely not be taking it and expects to be dismissed on april 1st. now i'm sure many will say 'good, take the vaccine to protect fellow staff and patients', now that sentiment may be valid (but when you consider the jab does not prevent you catching it, spreading it or even dying from it). so, given their impending loss of their jobs in 4 months (due to the risk to others), yet they are all allowed to maintain their positions til that date. that in itself is an anomaly, so they are allowed to risk others but only til april 1st?. i watched the parliamentary discussions on this vote yesterday for 5 hours up until the voting. i fully support all nurses, doctors, care staff and ALL those in these positions to decide what is best for them without a threat to their employment. what happens on april 1st? (clever date choice as it implies they are fools), so only double/triple jabbed will be allowed to work in hospitals.
on a slightly different subject - since i do not watch tv (at home) i was made aware of dr. Hillary and even specialist Lorraine on her morning show discussed how the un-jabbed were filling up the hospitals and taking beds away from vital operations. now that may tug at the heart-strings and make people despise those un-jabbed for doing nothing to prevent this. but as with 90% of these 'rants' they are not backed up with facts, these people rely on the viewers to blindly believe their words. over the last 4 months since august 16th according to governments own UKHSA vaccine surveillance reports there have been 3 in 5 covid cases were vaccinated, 3 in 5 hospitalisations were vaccinated and 4 in 5 deaths were vaccinated. but the media has to push the 'unjabbed are the problem' message. now what another person decides to do and what jabs they decide to get is none of my business, i have made my decision and as with all people who decide not to get it they should be respected. what we are seeing is the creation of a two-tier society, those who have their 'freedoms' and those who will be excluded (without proof of jab/negative test) from certain venues, cinemas, stadiums, museums and even employment (although currently the nhs and care homes i believe it's only the start). by the way these 'freedoms' will only be given with an up-to-date booster, so if they decide to push 3-4 boosters a year then line up. a whole industry has been built up that guarantees billions of £'s every year going forward from guaranteed jab contracts, testing sites, pop-up jab venues, ppe and even mail-in tests plus many more. and these profits will need to be maintained each year, so expect a new variant every 3-4 months with a compliant media waiting to read the government script when it's handed to them. can't imagine many will be interested but here's a story from last year regarding the contracts given to two such companies with zero experience yet had £280m handed to them - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ppe-procurement-scandal-uk-2021-b935842.html .

milkman
Super Member

United Kingdom
1674 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2021 :  19:18:48 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry DJH but My opinion is that as many as possible should be jabbed.
I am of an age where WE were jabbed whether we wanted it or not. All servicemen and particularly those who served in distant countries were jabbed- not with tiny needles but with much more unpleasant needles.
We were jabbed for tetanus, cholera, yellow fever, TAB (I think that was the jab rather than the possible disease)
I do agree that there are some persons for which the covid jab may be harmful and somehow they must be recognised But most others should consider the rest of the population as well as themselves
Just a differing opinion
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djholly
Super Member

936 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2021 :  20:56:11 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i respect your opinion milkman, but the jabs you took were tried and tested with a history of effectiveness. also since this jab is not a vaccine as it doesn't prevent contracting c-19, spreading it and dying from it, it's just a symptom mitigator. as mentioned what people choose to do regarding and jabs is personal choice and coercion used to be illegal.
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misterX
Full Member

10 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2022 :  23:36:26 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NO VACCINE PREVENTS YOU FROM CONTRACTING A DISEASE. Check your information before posting and if you don't know anything about the subject apart from what you read on Facebook - DON'T POST MISINFORMATION.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/how-do-vaccines-work

Edited by - misterX on 12/01/2022 23:37:18
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keanjo
Super Member

United Kingdom
1401 Posts

Posted - 13/01/2022 :  09:37:34 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well done Mister X .l hope everyone who doubts the benefits of vaccination to himself and to his community will take the trouble to read the WHO article .
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djholly
Super Member

936 Posts

Posted - 13/01/2022 :  14:34:23 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by misterX

NO VACCINE PREVENTS YOU FROM CONTRACTING A DISEASE. Check your information before posting and if you don't know anything about the subject apart from what you read on Facebook - DON'T POST MISINFORMATION.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/how-do-vaccines-work

here we go again folks. since you used caps to point out NO VACCINE PREVENTS YOU FROM CONTRACTING A DISEASE, then riddle me this....why dismiss all the nurses, doctors and care staff?. by the way, i'm not on fauxbook. ALL my info comes from the governments on site and sites that actually do journalism and not just read from the governments script that's handed to them daily.
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misterX
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10 Posts

Posted - 14/01/2022 :  01:07:49 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well all my info comes from studying and working in the NHS but if you know better, I must've wasted my time studying. Also in what way is this Covid vaccine not a vaccine? Is the name confusing you?? Stop spouting your nonsense and let people get some protection against this horrible disease - I have seen the bodybags and I can tell you IT IS NOT A HOAX!!
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milkman
Super Member

United Kingdom
1674 Posts

Posted - 14/01/2022 :  19:35:52 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I note that a senior doctor at the new NHS Grange hospital at Llanfrechfa stated that not one person in Covid 19 Intensive care at that hospital had been vaccinated. Several had died in the previous week or so.
What is so worrying is that the un-vaccinated people can pass it on
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keanjo
Super Member

United Kingdom
1401 Posts

Posted - 14/01/2022 :  19:47:26 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As you say Milkman people who refuse vaccination are putting the lives of other members of their families and communities at risk and should be isolated compulsorily with no access to public places .
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djholly
Super Member

936 Posts

Posted - 15/01/2022 :  19:32:44 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by keanjo

As you say Milkman people who refuse vaccination are putting the lives of other members of their families and communities at risk and should be isolated compulsorily with no access to public places .

shame on you. isolated compulsorily?, really?. you want all the evil unjabbed locked away or maybe taken to a camp somewhere possibly?. until what?, they change their mind or are forced against their will to undergo a medical procedure?. my original comment was regarding the very same heroes that boris praised are being sacked less than 2 years later because they will not take a jab. and i have pointed out that according to the GOVERNMENT the jab does not prevent you getting it, passing it on and even dying from it so it's just a symptom mitigator. also, using the governments own 'covid statistical report' since november 20th 4 out of 5 cases, hospitalizations and deaths were double/triple jabbed. by the way priti 'useless' patel has said she wants the asylum seekers to fill the roles in the care industry. so we're lucky that they've been aloud to arrive unhindered on our shores eh?.
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rhydboy2
Junior Member

New Zealand
9 Posts

Posted - 16/01/2022 :  02:51:25 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Strangely the overwhelming mass of qualified and experienced medical practitioners worldwide disagree with you dj. I take it that you have a medical degree so you must be one of the few qualified people who disagree with the use of the vaccine which is not experimental, just as the annual flu vaccine is not experimental.
quote:
Originally posted by djholly

i respect your opinion milkman, but the jabs you took were tried and tested with a history of effectiveness. also since this jab is not a vaccine as it doesn't prevent contracting c-19, spreading it and dying from it, it's just a symptom mitigator. as mentioned what people choose to do regarding and jabs is personal choice and coercion used to be illegal.

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Fluffer
Full Member

44 Posts

Posted - 16/01/2022 :  16:00:38 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
DJ Hollie, I donít want all the unvaccinated banished. I just want YOU banished. Just to let you know rhydboy, djhollie gets all his information from down the Connie where he is widely regarded as a know it all.
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keanjo
Super Member

United Kingdom
1401 Posts

Posted - 16/01/2022 :  16:22:04 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
DJ ,although I didnít mean a concentration camp ,I must admit that in your case it might not be a bad idea .Come on lad,take some courage pills and have an injection.
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rhydboy2
Junior Member

New Zealand
9 Posts

Posted - 16/01/2022 :  16:31:57 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the information Fluffer, what has happened to his collaborator Sea Wolf? Been deported? got the sniffles? or just got educated? Seriously I would like to see more interesting stuff and opinions about my home town and less uninformed garbage on this site
quote:
Originally posted by Fluffer

DJ Hollie, I donít want all the unvaccinated banished. I just want YOU banished. Just to let you know rhydboy, djhollie gets all his information from down the Connie where he is widely regarded as a know it all.

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Fluffer
Full Member

44 Posts

Posted - 16/01/2022 :  19:23:18 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi rhydboy2, Yes I noticed that his partner in crime(seawolf) has gone quiet. I agree with your last statement, more interesting stuff and opinions about our town and its people is what we need.
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Snowy
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
561 Posts

Posted - 17/01/2022 :  14:20:28 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wonder does anyone sit by him in the Connie coz I would rather go to Jail than read his rants on here.
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nutandboltdarlo
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
151 Posts

Posted - 17/01/2022 :  14:48:57 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Excuse my ignorance, but could someone tell this exile what the ĎConnieí is? Many thanks.
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keanjo
Super Member

United Kingdom
1401 Posts

Posted - 17/01/2022 :  15:26:32 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Conservative club?
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billbaily
Super Member

1393 Posts

Posted - 17/01/2022 :  16:50:37 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Constitutional club?
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butch
Super Member

United Kingdom
2002 Posts

Posted - 17/01/2022 :  18:08:30 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Correct Billbaily, Constitutional Club.
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nutandboltdarlo
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
151 Posts

Posted - 17/01/2022 :  19:48:29 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for that.
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djholly
Super Member

936 Posts

Posted - 19/01/2022 :  14:20:58 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
'know it all'?, no far from it fluff. as for professorx's remarks, since he/she/him/her or it as not deemed us fit to divulge in which capacity they are employed within the nhs (groundsman, janitor, receptionist, cleaner, nurse, doctor, specialist or maybe even a consultant) we are to accept that they have the ability to comment as a 'position of authority'. now, i can open a second user account on this site and call it doctorX and offer my views as FACT rather than an opinion. as for where i frequent, why would anyone bring that up?. intimidation or is it a threat?. we know who you are and where you go?. really?. i bid you all adieu.
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misterX
Full Member

10 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2022 :  13:13:52 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I actually began my training as a Nurse where we had to learn virology and epidemiology in addition to transmission vectors, biology and immunology. This was all on top of the usual anatomy and physiology. I also worked on one of the main covid wards in the health board.
You COULD create an additional account and call yourself Doctor whatever but you would still be the same ignorant person underneath and far from practicing medicine and reading the BMJ, you would be taking tests on Facebook as to which rapper you are and taking your opinion on the current covid crisis from people who wear 'Make America Great Again' apparel. Sadly, you would still not be an intelligent, rational, considered individual.
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keanjo
Super Member

United Kingdom
1401 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2022 :  13:24:01 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That should shut him up about your qualification to express an opinion mister X
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darole
Super Member

United Kingdom
2631 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2022 :  19:53:31 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am confused , why is it that some of the people for whatever reason insist on trying to force their views on people like myself who couldnít give a dam if they want the vaccine or not.
I much prefer to listen to common sense and mind my own business
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misterX
Full Member

10 Posts

Posted - 23/01/2022 :  22:06:23 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ask djholly - he is the one trying to convince people not to follow precautions. As for 'common sense', it is a rare commodity these days and many people will blindly follow the 'advice' they see on Facebook or other such instruments of mis/disinformaion, leading to the case numbers we have seen.
I'll just leave these here. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bible-belt-us-coronavirus-pandemic-pastors-church-a9481226.html
https://wtfflorida.com/news/madness/commissioner-who-voted-against-masks-in-critical-condition-with-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR1R92cgE0ckItqo4FjCSihlyES3kCOUZWAjZRzkvRIII99iGF6r83Ciny0
https://deadstate.org/christian-preacher-who-said-unmarried-sex-causes-coronavirus-dies-from-coronavirus/
https://www.distractify.com/p/man-injected-covid-denier-dies
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249463/Wife-coronavirus-denier-died-COVID-19-says-retracted-claims.html
https://news.yahoo.com/qanon-star-said-only-idiots-194553934.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANTcgp4jtFm-gGwEoJuvTIbeAagFe9GitA9f-CjgMAdhS-MU7h3iZRpqoBicQm7ssqGZml9tuqOYMpUdbSXxfJNK4XpTgJnVedjGNoi-qjZNysvwng-kwFXHo2KON-H9WoDFxdl7zb96MGSj29qEnSwc1woFQOx1l6RaMZGv5u5i
https://bgr.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-denier-dead-dmitriy-stuzhuk-influencer/
https://www.maravipost.com/list-of-prominent-covid-19-deniers-who-have-died-burundi-president-pierre-nkurunzizas/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9473815/Covid-19-denier-dies-coronavirus-hosting-illegal-gatherings-Norway.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/mak-parhar-dead-at-48-1.6238751
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-denier-gary-matthews-dies-b908310.html
https://www.ibtimes.com/anti-vaccine-champion-fighter-dies-covid-19-after-treating-himself-oxygen-3362299
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/covid-denier-28-warns-mum-24623583
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/covid-denier-who-refused-wear-23401989
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/covid-denier-vodka-guzzling-mum-19542629
I would also strongly recommend people read this - https://www.buzzfeed.com/daniellaemanuel/doctors-diagnose-covid-deniers
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