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pierre
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Posted - 16/01/2009 :  23:57:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A lot in the Welsh news in the last few months about the possiblility of the local councils switching off street lights to save money.

One local Council Powys, has done just that, please see below.

Would you be happy to have your street lights off after midnight to save money ?



aussiewelshman
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Posted - 17/01/2009 :  21:22:48 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some results are in!

Click:- Poor Response To Torfaen Streetlight Survey
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GOM
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  09:11:06 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NO. NO, NO,

NOT ON If they turn lights off they must put more police on the street to many dark corners now for the drunks and drugies crime will rise.
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seanr
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  16:09:13 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
im in agreement with Kenneth

if the pubs are going to stay open till x o'clock, then the street lighting should be on till at least an hour after that time, it only makes sense, otherwise the number of deaths of pedestrians is going to increase

as for putting more police on the streets, i dont think thats going to happen

if government wants to introduce a 24 hour society (soemthing i havent a problem with in principle) then the infra structure needs to be able to accomadate it - its one or the other im affraid

regards
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Samstan
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  16:29:21 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One thing I have noticed is that street lighting is getting more patchy in Tredegar, whether this is down to surreptitious cost savings or poor maintenance I'm not sure. The street lights around me appear to be on a timer and so come on a while after its dark and go off whilst its still dark (on around 5pm off around 7:30am), I've also noticed stretches of road where the street lights are off on my way to work in a morning (6:30am ish) when its still pitch black.
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tarkus
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  16:56:33 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'v noticed sirhowy hill lights going off before its light in the mornings,also stockton way and the lidls area is patchy

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Peregrine Honeydew
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  16:59:09 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree that turning the street lights off at night "could" lead to an increase in undesirable behaviour late at night, but in this day and age it must be possible to randomly switch off certain sets of lights for an hour between say 2 and 5 am. This would amount to a fair saving over a year....................................

Well, did you ever wake up, with them bullfrogs on your mind?
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GOM
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  17:05:06 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"it must be possible to randomly switch off certain sets of lights for an hour between say 2 and 5 am."


Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not such a goos idea we get woken up with drunks still shouting about and fighting at 3 in the morning. There dose not seem a time of day or night when the "lads" are not about drinking ot of their tinnies.
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Peregrine Honeydew
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  20:47:16 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We can't say "Ok let's not save energy because the louts won't be able to see!". It seems that having the lights on doesn't stop 'em "louting" anyway (new word there might catch on). When it comes to increased thefts and so on the case is stronger I agree, but a random off time of even half an hour all over the UK would save loads of energy and cash. In fact even this would equate to a saving of almost 3.1% on street light energy bills, That's got to be a huge amount.


Well, did you ever wake up, with them bullfrogs on your mind?

Edited by - Peregrine Honeydew on 18/01/2009 20:49:18
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  21:04:37 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Peregrine Honeydew

.."louting"...(new word there might catch on)


"Louting" - Present participle of 'Lout'

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Peregrine Honeydew
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Posted - 18/01/2009 :  23:19:22 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lout·ed, lout·ing, louts
1. To bow or curtsy.
2. To bend or stoop.

Not a new word, but a new use.......could be.

Well, did you ever wake up, with them bullfrogs on your mind?
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 19/01/2009 :  09:04:32 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aye...

Correct in context, but bad grammatically with poor syntax.

Let's go with it.
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GOM
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Posted - 20/01/2009 :  11:14:56 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Whats more important saving £s and energy or peoples safty so what is the value of life.
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Peregrine Honeydew
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Posted - 20/01/2009 :  18:52:51 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kenneth

Whats more important saving £s and energy or peoples safty so what is the value of life.



Oh Come on. These two are not mutually exclusive. Switching street lights off randomly for half an hour or more a night is not going to harm anyone. Do you think Crims' and louts are going to wait up the Domen, Helicopter at the ready, targeting blacked out areas and swooping down on the innocent? In fact lets advertise when and where the lights are off and Lilly Law can be there blacked up in the bushes waiting, dogs to hand! The perfect Honeytrap! Jobs a good 'un.

Well, did you ever wake up, with them bullfrogs on your mind?
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morris1975
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Posted - 20/01/2009 :  19:16:24 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"SING ALONG WITH ME NOW!"

Turn off the street lights,
They're expensive don't you know,
Street Lights,
It's the only way you know,
Steet Lights,
There are thousands of pounds to pay,
Street Lights,
Turn them off it's the only way
OH

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GOM
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Posted - 21/01/2009 :  12:14:27 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
PH I have no idea where you live (and cant say as I want to know) but Im d** sure you dont see what we see going past or front door at all times if the night and day come to that. Must say and I dont mean to ofend BUT your sounding like one of BROWNS merry band of spin doctors, that need to get out and see the real world.
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Peregrine Honeydew
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Posted - 21/01/2009 :  13:30:31 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kenneth

PH I have no idea where you live (and cant say as I want to know) but Im d** sure you dont see what we see going past or front door at all times if the night and day come to that. Must say and I dont mean to ofend BUT your sounding like one of BROWNS merry band of spin doctors, that need to get out and see the real world.



I welcome constructive critisism of my opinion. When you have some, please do feel free.
Tempted as I am, I will refrain from entering into argument with you.
Have a nice day!

Well, did you ever wake up, with them bullfrogs on your mind?
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 18/02/2009 :  21:46:21 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
6000 Blaenau Gwent Streetlights Could Switch-Off
Source - South Wales Argus


NEARLY half the street lights in Blaenau Gwent could be switched off under new council proposals to save money.

Blaenau Gwent council is considering switching off 6,000 of the borough’s 13,000 street lights between midnight and dawn on some A and B roads.
If this proposal is passed, it could save the council £180,000 for the next financial year.
Blaenau Gwent cabinet member for highways, Donald Wilcox, said no final decision will be made on where the lights will be switched off until a risk assessment is completed in the next few weeks.
He said the lights would not be switched off in town centres or at key road junctions and the lights in key residential areas would be kept on but some residential areas would be affected.
He said: “We do not want to switch off any lights in Blaenau Gwent, but with the energy costs and low budget settlement we have no option.”
The news has already caused concern among residents. Helen Tucker from Waengron Road in Blaina said: “I think this could cause a lot of problems. Some people are petrified to go out at night already, so this is only going to make things worse.
Christine Goulding, 32, from Blaina said: “I think the plans to turn them off are completely ridiculous and I would definitely think twice before going out when they are off.”
Opposition councillor Hedley McCarthy said the plans will affect the safety and security of everyone in Blaenau Gwent.
The lights being considered for switch-off in Blaenau Gwent are fitted with remote switching technology, enabling them to be switched off from a central location.
A spokeswoman for Blaenau Gwent council confirmed town councils, businesses community and trade unions are now taking part in a consultation process.
She added: “At this stage we have no further plans to consult with local people.”
The final proposals for the budget savings will go to a special meeting of the council’s executive committee on March 2 and to a special Full Council on March 10
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pierre
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Posted - 19/02/2009 :  10:16:22 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The street lights have been off (faulty) for months now up where I live. Four phone calls to the contact centre later at Blaunau Gwnt Council and they are still not working. In fairness they turn up and fix it and all is fine for 24 hours, then they stop again....

They will switch them off if you ask me.... No money to leave them on.

Wheres all the money going then ?
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aussiewelshman
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Posted - 19/02/2009 :  10:59:28 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pierre

...Wheres all the money going then ?


Legal advice.
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indarkistplumstead
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Posted - 20/02/2009 :  12:27:13 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
what about a complete change of lighting from using sodium arc to l.e.d's would that help
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myriad
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Posted - 20/02/2009 :  22:43:33 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How is it going to save money, just an opportunist excuse to fall in a pot hole and claims direct here they come!
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indarkistplumstead
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Posted - 06/03/2009 :  17:41:36 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hello myriad i don't think that a pot hole is needed just change the lamp head along side a light senor,maybe a hook up with a solar panel and battery on top of the head so in the long term it should save money and any holes
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swalk2855
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Posted - 07/03/2009 :  12:32:08 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
two things for me that relate to this 1. i work in cwmbran and they have been turning off the street lights for quite a while which isnt good when you finish work late but recently theyve decided to turn off all the lights in the car parks so i dont feel safe anymore as when i finish work its just generally my car alone in the car park so going by what im already experiancing i definatley wouldnt want ot see all the lights out in tredegar.
2. if they go ahead and turn off light to save money does that mean we pay less council tax? as one of the things we pay for is street lighting!!!!!!!!!
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lilly
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Posted - 08/03/2009 :  19:14:29 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does it make sense to keep the Mulitstorey Carpark in Ebbw-Vale fully illuminated ALL night. Its locked and not in use at night but it is still kept fully lit up !!! Its like Blackpool tower !!

Lets knock off those light and keep our street light on I say.


Regards lilly
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Samstan
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Posted - 09/03/2009 :  07:28:01 Link directly to this reply  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have an inkling that this is already started but in a subtle way. This morning I almost reversed into my gate post - why? Because the street lights on the road were off (and not cos I was half asleep ;))! Infact as I drove through Tredegar I could see maybe a dozen roads with street lights on but all the rest inc. the main road was in darkness. This was at 6:20am so hardly bright although I'll admit it wasn't pitch dark with sunrise 30mins away. I don't know what time the lights went off but it was definitely still dark!

How many of us would notice if they went off 30mins earlier tomorrow, and then the same again the enxt day? It'd only be the early risers or when they went off early enough for the night owls to notice that we'd be aware they were doing this.

What I'm intrigued to know is where all the cash is going - switching off street lights, switching to fortnightly bin collections yet we have the highest Council tax rates in Wales and are about to be hit by one of the biggest rises in the UK. Anybody else thinks the sums don't add up?!
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